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RE: Where's the best source for RV rules for a trip into Canada?
... depending when you travel here/back home will determine what the ID requirments are, but Passports meet 100% of the ID requirements now and after June of '09.
We would be traveling June of '09...
DW and I both have passports. Our 9 and 11 year old daughters...we were going to get them the new passport 'card' which is only good for vehicle travel...
But your June of '09 has me intrigued...will their birth certificates STILL be good enough next June?...would save $70 total if they were...
Thanks for all the info so far...I'm going to visit those links above when I get a moment...
We would be just visiting Quebec...both my wife and I have been there at separate times on business travel...but we want to show our daughters Old Towne area...
Thanks again...keep the info coming if there is any more!
BTW...both pooches are staying HOME with family and friends...
Joe.
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crappie_fisherman
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09/05/08 05:00pm |
RVing in Canada and Alaska
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Where's the best source for RV rules for a trip into Canada?
My family is starting to contemplate a trip for next year that will include a border crossing to see Quebec (I know I know we missed the 400th celebration that was this year! :))
We're going to hit Quebec on our way to Acadia...
I've read about the fresh foods (fruits, meats, etc) that would be confiscated at the border...so frozen meats are okay?
Other than passports which I have covered for my family members...what else do I need to know about and where is a good site to read up on the laws?
Like is towing with my propane fridge ON acceptable via the Canadian laws (I'm not interested in opinions on safety...I want to know the law).
What other things...your help is appreciated.
I tried searches but got various items not one inclusive list.
Thanks in advance...
Joe.
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crappie_fisherman
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09/05/08 01:52pm |
RVing in Canada and Alaska
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RE: Cost of adding a transmission cooler & gage
I went with an OBDII gauge like the Scan Gauge.
My write up with photos can be found CLICK HERE
It displays many parameters thru the OBD port...very handy...even reads and clears PCM codes...
Joe.
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crappie_fisherman
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09/05/08 11:46am |
Towing
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RE: What are the parameters of using OD?
What does your owners manual state about use of OD when towing?
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crappie_fisherman
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09/05/08 10:56am |
Towing
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RE: 4" Bumper Weight Limit
http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq13/quabillion/upload002.jpg
All I will say is that there is not indicative of todays modern built flimsy bumpers...
Notice the "L" bracket that appears to go from the inside FRAME of the I beam to the BUMPER to support the bumper in this photo...more than simply a small bead weld that follows the I beam profile like on my bumper...
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crappie_fisherman
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09/05/08 06:43am |
Travel Trailers
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RE: F 250 OR FORD EXCURISON
Gee, did I omit that part? Geez, that's like saying a sumo wrestler is a better athlete than a pro boxer because he weighs more...is that all ya got?
Hey...BIG GALS need love too!!!
Also notice that there are more Ex towers than 3/4 ton Burb towers should tell you something!
marshalllaw25...Don and I are just messing with each other if you can't tell...post a pic of that KING OF SUV's when you get it!!! :B
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crappie_fisherman
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09/04/08 01:14pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: F 250 OR FORD EXCURISON
....Sure the Burb with the big block has more displacement......however to be fair to the Burb...it DOES have more payload over the Ex...
And, that, my friends, is the whole story in a nutshell. There's a reason X's are a dime-a-dozen and Suburbans are hard to find.
Conveniently the burb man left out a few parts of my post...
Sure the Burb with the big block has more displacement...but the Ex has about 6-7"s MORE wheelbase over the burb...IMO...as your TT gets longer...wheelbase and shear on the hoof weight...are more important...the Ex has the lead in BOTH of those...however to be fair to the Burb...it DOES have more payload over the Ex...
137" of wheelbase and an 8900# or 9200# GVWR makes for a MAN of a vehicle over a girlie-man bow-tie of a vehicle! :B
Joe.
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crappie_fisherman
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09/04/08 12:00pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Hensley Arrow or ProPride 3P?
what makes the 3P a better design vs. just a different design?
And that, BurbMan, is exactly the question I tried to ask at the beginning of this thread.
ksd,
If you remember my post from page 1...
Plus the hard part about this topic is that it is truly VERY SUBJECTIVE...
What constitutes 'better' to some may be viewed as a negative to others...
The SUBJECTIVE part has been what has fueled this debate for 8 months or so since ProPride has come onto the market...sorry but I didn't expect you to get an answer that would bust thru the log jam.
Bottom line is BOTH are excellent hitches. If a VPP hitch is what you want...go with the one that you like best...
Paint...yeah it really ticks me off that i had to PAINT my hitch after 5 months of ownership...a $3,000 hitch should have a $3,000 worthy paint job!!!
Choose the one that makes YOU comfortable is the best advice.
Also don't forget PullRite...IMO that has the real advantage over both VPP designs...but that is simply MY opinion...
Joe.
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crappie_fisherman
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09/04/08 11:54am |
Towing
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RE: F 250 OR FORD EXCURISON
http://www.eckharts.com/index.html
Good luck...The Ex has given us three incredible summers worth of trips so far traveling 17,000+ miles in those three summers...and the family totally enjoys these trips since everyone is comfortable...including ME towing all those miles...
Let us know if you have any questions...
You should also check out the Excursion forum over at Ford-Trucks.com...I'm X_Hemi_Guy over there...a great group of folks in that forum...
Joe.
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crappie_fisherman
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09/03/08 08:10pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Bike Rack on Trailer Bumper - welding modification
It can be done and there has been some great advice posted so far. One good method to controlling the bounce is to use bungee cords from the bike rack back down to the frame or bumper on both sides. That makes a big difference.
I agree some great advice indeed.
What I did was ASK my manufacturer if MY trailer was able to have a 2" receiver BOLTED to the rear I beams.
Their answer was YES for MY situation.
In fact Jayco this year has done just that straight from the factory in effect. They are offering a rack that has welded and bolted slides on the SAME chassis I have...so that's why they said okay to mine.
Here's Jayco's 2009 offering that I snapped some photos from when I toured their factory this past July...
http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/27297/2194859210099735294S600x600Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb51.webshots.com/40690/2159395200099735294S600x600Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/40232/2755351770099735294S600x600Q85.jpg
You can see how they attach to the frame and the rack slides in and out thru the mounts...there is a post that swivels up on the rear most part of the rack to secure bikes to...I'd suggest a three bike wheel mount like I have...but you may not be able to slide the rack completely UNDER the TT then...
Here's my setup...you can see I have a 2" receiver up under the rear of the TT...it is bolted with some heavy bolts ~6 per side if I recall.
The important thing to remember is that you must try and eliminate motion...for me...that means lots of ratchet straps...take a look in my photos...you will see two horizontal straps that go AROUND the receiver under the TT and to the rack...this SNUGS the rack taught to eliminate the inherent play in the receiver box...very stable.
However also notice that I also fish these horizontal straps THRU the bike wheels to keep the bikes from bouncing vertically.
In addition I have one strap PER bike that goes around the frame and pulls the wheel into the wheel loop.
I also take one additional strap and fish it mid bike bundle and back to the receiver...this cinches all the bikes tight together...
When I am done strapping my bikes to the rack...if you wiggle one bike...the whole thing moves as on MASS.
The horizontal straps (the yellow ones) take all the motion out of the rack...so it is very secure.
Now that is not to say that the receiver or rack couldn't have a mechanical failure...it certainly could...but then again anything on my rig could...if I worried about that...I wouldn't leave home! :B
My advice is CALL YOUR MANUFACTURER...they know their product...mine gave me the thumbs up to do what I asked about...they also told me that they couldn't count the number of calls they get asking about attaching to the bumper...their answer is always NO...they do suggest doing as I do...but they told me many simply don't want to spend $250 for a receiver and then $ for the rack...go figure.
However you may find that since you have a lighter weight model...the chassis may simply not be up to the added stresses...which as JJ points out can be HUGE cantilevered back there...so be prepared to have to mount to the roof of your SUV...or look into a front receiver like I have added...
BTW...I spend at least 15 minutes securing my bikes for travel...
I carry our youngest daughters 20" bike inside the TT...when the girls bring friends...I have an additional rack I can put on the FRONT of my Excursion...photos at end...all in all...if really needed...I can carry 7 maybe 8 bikes...although I have NEVER had too...notice I had to have the shop fab up a 'drop' hitch to ensure clear view of my headlights and turn signals...
Here's some photos.
I've tugged this receiver and rack with bikes over 17,000 miles in three summers...I inspect the receiver welds and bike rack frequently...no signs of fatigue cracks...yet...knock on steel...
joe.
http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/8295/2853123650099735294S600x600Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb12.webshots.com/4811/2627075370099735294S600x600Q85.jpg
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http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/39976/2719058600099735294S600x600Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/8646/2148367430099735294S600x600Q85.jpg
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crappie_fisherman
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09/03/08 05:27pm |
Travel Trailers
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RE: 4" Bumper Weight Limit
As an update to this thread...I witnessed something rather interesting this weekend while camping.
We're sitting at the campground check in station enjoying some ice cream with the kids...well up pulls a Ford Explorer sport trac (you know the 4 door half pickup thingee) towing a pop-up.
Well there were people everywhere inside the TV as well as 5 dogs...YES...FIVE...the bed of the sport trac was packed with coolers and gear...not an inch was available in this vehicle anywhere...as they slowed to a stop at the campground office...the rear of the popup stopped right next to me. On the back was a 4 bike rack (cantilevered style bike rack) with 4 bikes on it. One of the bikes front tires was seriously DRAGGING the ground.
I continued to scan the bike rack down to the hitch point...it was an actual frame mounted receiver but a 1 1/4" small version that had physically BOWED downward (I wish I had my camera)...but the receiver was actually bent aft of the part that was bolted to the popup frame.
So the shear weight of the bikes/rack bouncing down the road was enough to BEND the actual hitch receiver tube that comes off of the cross member...
I proceeded to get up and get the drivers attention to let her know that she was dragging a bike...thinking she would unload it then...nope...after she checked in...she continued to drag it up the hill to her site...oh well I thought...I tried...
Overall this whole truck was loaded to the hilt...and the bike rack was no exception...but the point is that the dynamic loads imparted by the bouncing bikes/rack was enough to bend a 1 1/4" receiver tube...thankfully the welds that attached the tube to the cross member held...or she would have arrived at the campground with no bikes or rack left on the back of the popup...
joe.
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crappie_fisherman
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09/03/08 10:14am |
Travel Trailers
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RE: Suburban 2500...TT to big?? opinions
Regarding the weighing, I realize you can't weigh a trailer you haven't bought yet, I was talking about weighing the Suburban with a full fuel and passengers. The "curb weight" they quote is about as useless as the "dry weight" of a trailer....I don't think you'll have as much room for payload and tongue weight as you think you do.
I agree with Don 100%...this is what I was talking about as well...
Knowing where YOUR Burb sits in relation to GVWR and rear axle rating goes a long way to selecting a trailer that fits with what is actually LEFT.
Pamphlet 'ratings' as listed by manufacturers are nice...but not to be taken as what things actually weigh after they leave the factories with all the goodies...plus each family is differently sized and carries different stuff.
A family of 4 can vary in weight by a whole lot.
Family #1...Mom and dad can be small and weigh 280#'s total in one family (Dad 160 and mom 120) and kids can be young and weigh 120#'s total for 400#'s of people weight...
Now family #2...Dad 300#'s, Mom 250#'s, Son #1 200#'s, Son #2 180#'s Total weight 930#'s.
So families like TV's are not created equal...Two families of 4 with a delta weight of 530#'s...
Weigh YOUR Burb as it sits READY for camping and see what you have LEFT payload and axle wise...you will likely be surprised.
Joe.
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crappie_fisherman
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09/03/08 08:11am |
Travel Trailers
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RE: FYI: Hensley Arrow for Sale in Rv.net Classifieds
Used ONCE...holy cow!!!
Looks like a good deal for someone in the market...
Only thing to watch out for would be two items.
Coupler...make sure that the jack/strut brackets match your trailer...meaning if yours is an inverted coupler and this is a top coupler (that's what it looks like based on the offset of the jack posts...but I'm certainly no expert) or vice/versa
Stinger...your TV may be higher or lower than this guys...it looks like he has a 2" drop/rise bar...
One thing you could do if your trailer doesn't fit this setup...ask the owner to swap them out under HIS FREE lifetime warranty before you take possession...just a thought...
joe.
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crappie_fisherman
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09/03/08 05:41am |
Travel Trailers
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RE: Hensley Arrow or ProPride 3P?
Don't believe ProPride's adapter is available yet, no. But, it will be soon from what I understand.
Yes, I'm aware of the custom made adapters. However, I think an adapter made specfically for this purpose by the manfuacturer and with their full support, is a MUCH better solution than a custom-made contraption that you have to put a screwdriver blade through to make it work. Wouldn't you agree, Ron?
If and when an adapter becomes available for the 3P, it might be of interest to a relatively few owners. It appears that only a relatively few HA owners have found a need for one.
Or is it more like, only a relative few have found a bad enough need for one, that they have constructed a contraption to address this? You're once again making the assumption, Ron, that the few you read about on here, represent ALL Hensley owners out there. I can assure you, as one thats actually owned a Hensley such a device would be something MOST Hensley owners would want, given the price isn't too expensive like you said. Not all Hensley owners have the resources or know-how to make the custom contraptions mentioned earlier.
Will
I'll add some fuel to this particular part of this smoldering forest fire :B
My RV dealer has 3 or 4 of us folks with Hensley's on their trailers.
Try as I might...I simply could NOT get thru to these guys on HOW to hitch the HA at all...forget about easily. They use a tractor to haul their trailers around.
One of the other owners actually came in to pick up his trailer and found the HA taken OFF his trailer since the service guys had apparently given up the ship on trying to hitch and reverted to the ball coupler...they did install it back on his trailer when he got there to show them HOW to re-install it :W
I actually showed them Russells home made coupler...personally I kinda like the simplistic yet effective approach that that couler accomplishes...what more basic than converting the square opening in the HA or ProPride BACK to a ball coupler?
I actually take my trailer in to the dealer tomorrow for a small warranty repair...in talking with him...they have apparently come up with their own home made coupler...I am interested to see what they have ginned up.
I know my local dealer was having a heck of a time working with the HA...but then again...this summer I took my TT to the Jayco factory in Middlebury since I was up there camping and needed some maintenance (not warranty) on the TT (brakes, bearings, re-seal unit, etc) figured who better than the FACTORY!!!...they had NO issues moving my TT...I just had to leave the stinger.
I personally do think offering some 'inexpensive' coupling option is a good idea...since some folks and the HA are kinda like a monkey and a football! :B
Altough I'm assuming 'inexpensive' to me which is like $25-30...or the price of a standard style 2" straight receiver ball coupler I can buy from Reese, WalMart, UHaul or the like.
Joe.
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crappie_fisherman
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09/03/08 05:35am |
Towing
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RE: F 250 OR FORD EXCURISON
There is one company that will custom fab one, but I don't remember their name.
Eckhart and the OP just happens to be in the right part of the right state for him! :B
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crappie_fisherman
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09/03/08 05:23am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Advice on new truck?
And as far as the misses not liking Dodge's...the 6.7L is a pretty quiet motor...the 5.9L on the other hand...well that will rattle even the soundest of sleepers or drunkest of drunks out of bed! :)
Good luck,
joe.
The 5.9L Cummins hasn't been loud since 2002. In 2003 the Cummins was softened greatly with the changes to the fuel system on that model year.
The old Cummins being loud argument hasn't been true now for six years, but people sure like to perpetuate myths to try to show a chink in the armor of the best diesel engine ever put in a pickup truck.
Like I said before, the reason you still hear so many loud Cummins/Dodges in the campgrounds is because those old trucks just keep on running. Whereas the diesel pickups from other manufacturers have quieted down long ago, so quiet in fact that they don't run anymore!:W
My brother in law runs a jack hammer...you guessed it...he tells me they aren't loud either! :B
It's all in your perspective I guess! :W
Being loud wasn't meant to be taken in a derogatory manner...well maybe to the drunkest of drunks! (:W) it is simply MY impression of that product...your opinions are obviously different and 100% cool with me! :) ... but I can usually with about 80% certainty tell a Cummins fire up in a campground from aisles away...the ~20% of the time I'm wrong...it's a 7.3L!...the second loudest motor in the campground!!! ... especially on those COLD mornings! :W
Sorry to have ruffled your feathers...didn't mean to...usually I ruffle the girlie man bow-tie fella's! :B:B:B
joe.
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crappie_fisherman
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09/02/08 08:13pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Advice on new truck?
If you are currently pulling a 'similar' weight trailer with the 2 valve V10 (what gears?)...you KNOW what it pulls like.
If you are happy with the way it pulls and the mpgs...I do NOT think you will be happy with a 5.4L in a heavy crew cab pickemup...
I would say at a minimum you want a 3 valve V10...they are rare on the lots because they are IN DEMAND and people are buying them over the PSDs right now.
The 6.4L is a good motor...a very STRONG motor...but that strength comes at a price in the mpg arena...go to the link that jimnlin posted to see what folks are reporting...you do have to filter out the 30+mpg claims though! :B
As far as mpgs goes...first liar on the internet doesn't stand a chance...all I'll say is that the days of old diesel high mpgs pretty much went out with the ULSD motors of today...the good ole venerable 7.3L PSD is an amazing motor...good power and great mpgs for sure.
However...folks thirst for MORE power produced todays pavement pounding 300+ HP and 650+ ft-lb MONSTERS out on the market...all that power eats fuel to make...
A 10,000# trailer does NOT need a monster motor like that...but if you can get a great deal...nothing wrong with having more power than you could ever need.
Fuel prices...well your guess is as good as mine as to what fuel will cost more on any given month/year...don't let that drive your decision...get what you WANT and can get the best out the door price on.
The 3V V10 with 4.10's or 4.30's will easily take your 10,000# trailer ANYWHERE in the continental US...so no worries there...but shop hard and remind the dealers there is a REASON that they have ALL THESE PSD's still on their lots...folks aren't banging their doors down to drive one home...so be patient...you'll find what you like at the price you are willing to pay...
Also...you did the right thing walking out of the bow-tie palace if that girlie man salesman is going to treat you like that...sounds like he has an inferiority complex to me...in the form of a blue oval! :B:B:B
And as far as the misses not liking Dodge's...the 6.7L is a pretty quiet motor...the 5.9L on the other hand...well that will rattle even the soundest of sleepers or drunkest of drunks out of bed! :)
Good luck,
joe.
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crappie_fisherman
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09/02/08 06:13pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Suburban 2500...TT to big?? opinions
But since the vast majority of RVers never get on a scale, they don't have any idea what weight they are hauling to begin with.
See the 3rd post in this thread, that's what it all comes down to.
I do believe a trip to the scales will reveal possibly more than the OP (or any of us for that matter) really wants to know...but towing heavy is a big responsibility...and one must actually KNOW their weights and not simply go by brochure listed weights on either the TV or TT as many do...
A trip to the scales is really painless and very inexpensive and gives us all kinds of information on balance...which is key to stable and safe towing within the ratings set forth by the designers and maufacturers of our products...
Don suggested weighing the setup very early on in this 9 page thread and I'm not sure if the OP has actually weighed his Burb as it sits ready for camping yet or not...at least I haven't seen any weights listed in posts in this thread...
Joe.
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crappie_fisherman
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09/02/08 05:33pm |
Travel Trailers
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RE: Hensley Arrow or ProPride 3P?
The link provided by Turk2500 should give you your answer. It's all been said in there and numerous other threads on RV.net which is why you're probably not getting any more responses.
Very well said indeed!
Plus the hard part about this topic is that it is truly VERY SUBJECTIVE...
What constitutes 'better' to some may be viewed as a negative to others...
The OP should enjoy the competition and price reductions being generated due to COMPETITION between these two manufacturers with ProPride coming on the market.
When many of us purchased our hitches...we basically had 2 choices...Hensley or PullRite. We also had to fork out over $3K!!!
For me and my Excursion the PullRite was eliminated due to the mounting configuration that required the hitch to be installed BELOW the factory receiver eating up ground clearance...I even called Pulliam which is about 1 hour from here to ask about a custom install...they told me NO WAY...
BUT...if I had a different vehicle...I truly feel the PullRite is a superior hitch due to its pure mechanical advantage under all towing conditions. There is no 'virtual' pivot point (VPP) that changes due to the angle between the TV and TT. The PullRites pivot is ALWAYS at the rear axle and has benefits over either of the VPP hitches IMO. Again a search of the PullRite will generate some reading pages for you.
The only two negatives I've read about on here for the PullRite is that it STAYS with the vehicle...if you change vehicles often...this could be a BIG negative for YOU. The other...if you have to just nudge the TT over a few inches...you must pull WAY forward like with a 5'r...for some parking conditions say at home or such...again this could be a BIG negative for YOU...
The VPP hitches...well they have their negatives as well...and have been well covered on this site.
I only posted to mention to NOT DISCOUNT or IGNORE the PullRite hitch for your situation. I'm not sure how the mounting options are on the Burb...but since the reciever can be changed...I have to believe it is a much cleaner installation than on my Excursion...
Good luck!
joe.
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crappie_fisherman
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09/02/08 05:10am |
Towing
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RE: F 250 OR FORD EXCURISON
...Just a little info ,Its me, my wife and our two kids.
Your family is the same size as mine.
I've got two young girls...9 and 11.
We've logged 17,000 miles in the last three summers...
I opted for the Ex over a crewcab pickemup for ONE reason...the ability to SEPARATE THOSE YOUNGENS!!! :B
In those 17,000 miles...I'm able to keep one daughter in the third row and the other in the center row...it really does make traveling LONG distances pleasurable for mom and dad...PLUS...you can carry stuff BEHIND the third row...REAL STUFF that the kids can reach and get to...like snacks, and such...
However you should heed the advice here...the Ex is NOT a payload friendly vehicle...but than again NO SUV is...really...
The PSD Ex in 4x4 trim all duded out from the factory with comfort options will actually only have a 'listed' payload in the LOW 1200-1300# range...that is HORRIBLE...however...the Ex is one BEAST of a truck...I would NEVER suggest towing over mfg ratings...it is a personal choice for sure...I'll just say that the Ex is a very STOUT vehicle...with the exception of those rear springs and possible lacking rear sway bar (depending on trim level).
I tugged my 7500# 900# tongued TT over 7000 miles including the Rockies, Big Horns and Black Hills...the ONLY mod I made was a rear Hellwig and had a DC hitch...the thing was rock solid...
When I upgraded to my current 31' (35' hitch to bumper) 9000# 1100-1200# tongued TT...I had pushed the Ex's rear suspension too far...I added the Roadmaster Active Suspension (RAS) and some Bilsteins...what a difference...although I also added a Hensley Arrow hitch...I've tugged this TT 10,000 miles the last two summers again thru the Rockies and numerous points in Utah as well as the Applachians and Smokies...ROCK SOLID...
I tow 12-14 hour days...and the Ex does NOT disappoint...
I did upgrade to 4.30 gears for my V10...if you are looking V10...the 4.30's are much rarer (sp?)...but if you can find one you may be able to haggle better due to the (cough cough) BAD gear for MPG's (wink wink)...but you WANT the 4.30's if you are towing...well let me restate...if you are towing near 9000#'s...you WANT 4.30's...my 7500# TT was tugged with 3.73's just fine...so don't let the rear end gear sway your decision too much I guess...
The V10 4x4 Ex still only has a 'listed' payload of ~1600#'s...and only has a GVWR of 8900#'s...the PSD Ex has a GVWR of 9200#'s BUT has a PSD that weighs 600#'s MORE than a V10...
The Ex is an AMAZING family camping vehicle...but may require a few small mods to tweak the handling characteristics...whereas an F250 off the showroom floor is a hauling machine...but not much interior family room...tradeoffs for sure...I know my family has been very comfortable traveling the last 3 summers...MANY miles thru all kinds of terrain and weather...the Ex is a hard animal to beat...
Sure the Burb with the big block has more displacement...but the Ex has about 6-7"s MORE wheelbase over the burb...IMO...as your TT gets longer...wheelbase and shear on the hoof weight...are more important...the Ex has the lead in BOTH of those...however to be fair to the Burb...it DOES have more payload over the Ex...
I know I've gone some pretty challenging places in this country with my V10 Ex rolling down the road at 17,000#'s combined...and there hasn't been a hill yet that has slowed us greatly...nor have my daughters really bickered much (:W) having their OWN row of seating...and for local trips...(under 500 miles)...we take along our near 50# 7 month old puppy...so everyone is HAPPY!!!
I will close in saying...that a nice V10 Ex is easier to find than an 8.1L Burb...my thinking on this is that the Burb was offered in 1/2 and 3/4 ton versions...most soccer moms had a choice to get the 1/2 ton with smaller V8 over a 3/4 ton with 8.1L big block...that was a specific choice to get the BIG BLOCK that most simply didn't order.
Whereas the Ex...well Ford offered other SUVs like the Expedition...but that was a MUCH SMALLER SUV...The Ex ONLY came as a 3/4 ton MONSTER...most soccer moms wanted to have the BIGGEST SUV on the PLANET (I guess size DOES matter! :W)...and most Ex's came with the V10 over the V8 gas or PSD...again you had to really WANT the V8 or PSD...
So there are MORE V10 Ex's out there then 8.1L Burbs...because as gasoline prices SOARED this past 6 months...many V10 families that simply toted groceries or kids...DUMPED the piggish V10 Ex's...where a person that specifically bought an 8.1L Burb...likely TOWED SOMETHING and NEEDED and still NEEDS the 8.1L...this is simply my reasoning and rationale I have NO PROOF of this...
Good luck with your decision...
Joe.
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crappie_fisherman
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09/01/08 02:56pm |
Tow Vehicles
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